Sunday, August 14, 2011

Iconoclastic Libertarian

What's not to like about Ron Paul? He's probably a very nice elderly gentleman and quite affable at small dinner parties if you can keep him from dominating the conversation with digressions about the gold standard, pacifism, state's rights and the joy of medicinal applications of marijuana. As a presidential candidate he has all the electability of Adolph Hitler.

OK, that's harsh, but it doesn't sound so strange if you recall that Hitler built his political power with a small but intensely loyal cadre of largely politically naive idealists. He was generally unsuccessful in open elections and his party never captured more than a very small percentage of the Reichstag. Paul is a similar out-of-the-mainstream sort of player.

In less inflammatory terms, his un-electable status derives from a number of factors. Some of those are reasonable, some are purely statistical, and some are undeniably irrational but real emotionalism of the electorate.  He is too old for the job. He has never held executive office. Congressmen seldom get elected to the Presidency and when they do they aren't usually very remarkable in the job. Governors, generals and senators are the minor leagues for the big job. He is a largely unattractive and decidedly uncharismatic personality. And, if we laugh at the idea of a community organizer job as preparation for the Presidency, what then to anticipate for a gynecologist? These gripes aren't necessarily right, but they are very real in this game.

Is there substance for opposition to Paul? I think there is.

We tend to look at American political ideology as liberal and conservative. In reality, however, that dichotomy is a narrow subset of a wider range of ideologies and while many of those aren't common in the US, there are two which gather a bit more support than most: communitarian and libertarian. Liberals are often linked with communitarians. Conservatives often characterize themselves as libertarian. Ron Paul is an unabashed Libertarian. He has even run for the presidency as the nominee of the Libertarian party where he garnered the nomination by defeating Russell Means of the American Indian Movement.

You could have gotten a glimpse of the Libertarian perspective the other night in the debate. Paul's interpretation paints foreign policy in pure 1815 isolationist terms for America. He envisions a Fortress America protected by our oceans and withdrawn from leadership on the global stage. He advocates withdrawal from the UN, which for better or for worse, provides communication with the rest of the world and administration of a wide range of international programs which are both significant and important to world trade.

He wants US withdrawal from NATO, NAFTA, WTO and a broad range of alliances, compacts, treaties and trade agreements. Somehow he thinks that such isolationism would solve American economic woes more effectively than global commerce. Possibly a review of trade and the British Empire in the 18th and 19th centuries would help him understand.

He has no apprehension about an Iranian nuclear capability. He doesn't seem to appreciate a linkage between Iran's bomb and the existential threat to Israel which it represents. He doesn't find anything to worry about with regard to terrorism and nuclear weapons. Ditto for N. Korea, Venezuela and all of the other nuclear aspirants.

Probably most grating to me is his very populist bleat about our immediate withdrawal from "un-declared and un-winnable wars."

Apparently he is stuck in 1941 with regard to creation of a formal document in which the Congress assembled comes together in majestic prose to initiate hostility against a threat or in response to an attack. Unaware that the appropriations power of the House and the legislative budgeting for military operations which have supported wars for the last 70 years are effective "declarations." If post-911 wasn't a declaration of war against terrorist forces without regard to borders, I don't know what it would take.

As for "un-winnable", as a career warrior I will never support any Commander-in-Chief that fails to accept the core premise that when the US enters conflict it is by definition winnable. It is the leadership that makes it winnable and Mr. Paul lacks that.

I could go on, but a review of Ron Paul's long and detailed history of policy pronouncements will tell you much more. His positions on immigration, illegal drugs, the death penalty, public education, economics, energy policy, etc. are all superficial and initially appealing to the naive, idealistic and dedicated followers. The only question remaining is why they were wearing red T-shirts in Ames. I've always thought the brown shirts and dark brown ties with the armband insignia was so much more impressive.

14 comments:

Anonymous said...

Leadfoot says!

Wasn't Hitler Elected???

Anonymous said...

Leadfoot says~

Actually it tirns out that hitler wasn't elected he was appointed Chnacellor after coming in second wth 13 million votes. Which is a lot more then Ron Paul would ever get.

TFB said...

A good deconstruction of Crazy Ronnie.

The Flying Barrister

TFB said...

Ed:

You should drop in at www.notssmbbs.com. It is a hunting and gun forum primarily, but has a good mix of people from various backgrounds and an active political forum.

The Flying Barrister

PickYourBattles.Net said...

Rass, thanks for providing some substance on why you don't support Ron Paul. Let me try to recap:

1. ...dominating the conversation with digressions about the gold standard

2. ...pacifism

3. ...state's rights

4. ..the joy of medicinal applications of marijuana

5. Congressman are usually unelectable and don't show leadership

6. Isolationism and Fortress America

7. Withdrawal from UN, NATO, NAFTA, WTO

8. Not concerned enough about Iran & terrorists

9. Withdrawing from unwinnable wars

And then you list his positions on immigration, illegal drugs, the death penalty, public education, economics, energy policy as superficial, naive, idealistic but don't explain why.

I'm no economist and I don't know if a gold standard would be helpful. I do think he's right about the dangers of printing money out of thin air and market manipulation by the Federal Reserve. I'm not in a position to defend his economic theory but it does make sense to me for the government to be fiscally responsible and to take the private monied interest hands off our machinery of government if you want to avoid manipulation.

I don't think he's a pacifist, he just has a higher standard when it comes to committing our nation's blood and treasure. He said he supported the attempt to get UBL. He was against Iraq, and he's against Libya and rightfully so. Both were BS wars. Iraq was pure and simple nonsense that has made us less safe and came only after our government flat out lied to the American people. Iran is happy about that one. But both Afghanistan and Iraq were legal wars, both were authorized by Congress in accordance with the War Powers Resolution and are thus Constitutional. Libya, however, is unconstitutional and illegal and also is a waste of money at a time we don't have any. But certain monied interests always make a nice bit of change off of such wars, even at the expense of the taxpayer. This ties in with your critique of his isolationist views. Wanting to create a Fortress America and concentrate on defense rather than stringing ourselves in wars is a good thing in my view. Rome and the Soviet Union might be good examples why.

States' rights is a matter of law. As one who supports the rule of law, I appreciate that the people (most closely represented by states and local government than the federal government) should expect some breathing room. That's what we agreed to when the Constitution was created, and so I think it's right than all players follower their contractual obligations. I realize many don't care about the rule of law, and don't care about the responsibility to uphold contracts they freely took part in, so it's not too shocking that such "idealistic" notions are easily tossed in favor of this new "reality" of power. Power over the rule of law, that's never a good thing for a free nation.

PickYourBattles.Net said...

Medicinal marijuana, I suppose this ties into your later remark about his position on illegal drugs. Ron Paul would legalize them all, and rightfully so. I have the right to ingest into my body whatever I want, good for me or not. As long as I don't break an actual law (ie where there is a victim), then I'm doing so responsibly. That's what freedom is all about, freedom to make choices good or bad, as long as they harm nobody else AND the responsibility that goes along with it (so don't pay my medical bills when I'm a strung out junkie, and if I break the law while high then throw the book at me). Drug use should be decriminalized. But that is being fought by the prison industry and unions (which is a growing private enterprise) and it's certainly being fought by the drug cartels. They wouldn't want their money to dry up if drugs were to be legalized, and so they will continue to own Mexico and spill violence into the U.S. all because one citizen wants to tell another citizen how to live. And the increasing violence, just like with Prohibition, will give the same old excuse for further militarizing our police and buying drones like the Miami Police Department has done, and the monied interests on all sides will be happy. At the citizen's expense of course. There is not a single good argument for criminalizing drug use, and it will become the biggest security threat our government faces as corporate monied interests continue to drive our politicians (especially when the drug cartel money flows into those same hands).

Congressman being poor Presidents, perhaps. I'll go with leadership is having a vision and integrity and being consistent. Ron Paul definitely has that. And Paul has raised more money from military donors than all other Republican candidates combined.

As to wanting to get out of the UN, NATO, etc...I'm not sure if this is a good move or not. Jefferson did recommend, "Peace, commerce and honest friendship with all nations; entangling alliances with none." I tend to agree with this. Alliances mean we put other nation's interests ahead of our own in some cases. I'd rather we choose to help or hinder them on individual matters instead of pledging to them anything. But it's all situational.

I think Paul understands very well terrorists and Iran. He also asks the question, why do they hate us so much? The one key question that is often overlooked. They have every right to hate us, but when they take that hatred and apply violence against us, we have to react in kind (and Paul supported going after UBL). But understanding that our "alliances" and our support of their despotic governments (ie Saudi) makes them hate us to the point where they want to do violence against us, is important in preventing violence against America. It makes us more secure. Instead of following UBL's script to bankrupt America as GWB did, Ron Paul would be smarter and make us safer. Certainly there is a line to be drawn and Germany teaches us that isolation isn't always a good thing. The key is responding to violence with violence, and not provoking violence.

PickYourBattles.Net said...

Ron Paul is spot on. Let's return America to the People, and wrest it from the hands of the monied interests, the war makers, and the drug cartels. Let's make it a nation of laws again, starting with our Constitution.

Is this idealistic? Certainly, as this nation was founded to be. Naive? Maybe, but some would say it was naive to fight for those same ideals against the most powerful military force in the world (Britain). We could just throw up our hands and cheer lead the destruction of this nation and enjoy going down the same road as Rome and the Soviet Union by spending and warring our way into oblivion, but that's obviously a poor way to go (except for the looters who will profit from the pillaging of this country).

Americans want their country back. While the number of actual Americans in America remains small, then you're right he may not be electable. But as more people starve, and more lives are lost, and the country becomes more like North Korea (poor and clinging to its military), people may just turn off the Springer Show and start to think again about what makes America different.

PickYourBattles.Net said...

Oh, and comparing Ron Paul to Hitler? Really now? I mean really?

I guess Hitler was a civil liberty loving, Constitution upholding, rule of law supporting, isolationist who wanted to pull the military out of unwinnable wars.

Murphy's Law said...

Ed, I agree 100%. Ron Paul appeals to one demographic--the unpopular and resentful college-age boys who can't get dates. They latch onto this guy because they figure that it makes them look edgy and politically aware, just like kids the same age followed Che and Mao in the 60's and 70's. And the only reason that Paul polls well is that this bunch goes crazy trying to stack every straw poll. Paul only polled well at CPAC and Ames because literally all of his supporters were there--like Manson's followers, they'll travel across the country to support him, but then as soon as he loses, they stomp off and refuse to help the GOP beat the Dems. So screw them right along with him as far as I'm concerned.

MagiK said...

lol, well you seem to have struck a nerve here Ed :) Ron Paul as Hitler? Bad choice, Ron Paul as an idealistic unelectable presidential candidate...on the Money. I like his fiscal policies but he doesnt consider the real world consequences with some of his other views. Such as decriminalizing all drugs and justifying by saying just dont pay my medical bills.....what a fanciful notion, as if strung out junkies don't pose a threat to everyone around them....please....he has a few good ideas but on the whole he is bonkers.

PickYourBattles.Net said...

Murph, more insult but no substance. Immag, you may be right but Ron Paul and myself would disagree with you that decriminalizing drugs would cause more people to do get strung out on heroin. I would agree more would smoke weed, because the science clearly shows weed is better for you than alcohol, but those who smoke weed are not "strung out junkies."

Nobody I know would go out and start doing meth if it were legal. Those who are that stupid, are doing it already.

MagiK said...

Pick, Marijuana in my mind is a separate issue, however having been in the Service in the late 70's early 80's I have to say I saw a lot of lives ruined by weed. Not as many as were ruined by Alcohol but that is because you could consume alcohol freely in public. Be that as it may, as it stands Ron Paul is unelectable because he will not be able to convince mainstream voters to vote for him...and he is really too old, we need younger Chief Executives..in my opinion.

Anonymous said...

Ron Paul's isolationism is what makes him unacceptable to me for President. That and other things but isolationism is the start. I thought isolationism was sunk with the Lusitannia, went up in smoke at Pearl Harbor and collapsed with the World Trade Center. I guess that the good Doctor has not learned his history lessons.

Old Top said...

I'm not a Paulist, but I am a veteran, grandfather, and patriot.

Let me say that I detect a certain 'elitist' tone in your writing, which is understandable from an Air Force fighter pilot.

I think Paul understands his chances and sees his duty as
speaking the 'unspeakable'.

We desperately need adult leadership, and the federal 'genie' put back in the bottle.
How Perry will get that done given the demographics and the current 'gimme' class, I don't know, but I wish him luck.

Sooner or later, the US will have to face those realities and make those choices. I'm on my 21st administration and so, have some perspective on this.

Pretty Perry has a good chance if he doesn't blow it, and I prefer
Ghengis Kahn to the current marxist
pretender . . . but then I was a soldier